Pete Jamieson
Last night I was promoting the DVP in a Face Book conversion where two people were asking who could they vote for at the next election if it wasn't Tory, Labour or Lib Dem .. They concluded it would have to be Tory for one and Labour for the other, as there were 'no' viable alternatives. At this point I stepped in and recommended they look at the DVP as a viable alternative.. I posted a link to the Parties website and left it at that. A few minuets later, one of them replied to me saying that it's not an alternative as there is another similarly named party     https://www.facebook.com/OfficialUKVandPP/   (The Veterans & Peoples Party) .... I was unaware of this and felt quite angry and embarrassed  that it now turns out the DVP are up against another 'very similar' organisation which is doubling up and will split the vote.  Any comments ? 
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Glyn Dixon GlynDixon
Hi Pete I am aware of UKVandPP as far as I’m aware they have not contested any elections as yet and I am unsure as to whether they even have a manifesto as such. They had an active Facebook page well over a year ago but I don’t know how active they are now.
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Churchman
The Facebook page indicates that this party does not officially exist. I would have serious doubts as to whether the Electoral Commission would permit them to use a name so easily confused with ours. They tend not to.
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Pete Jamieson
It worries me that someone who is not that interested in politics or political parties should have reached the conclusion that The Veterans & Peoples Party we're a breakaway splinter group from the DVP..  They went on to suggested that although this is an assumption on his part , he feels that many will reach the same conclusion. Any hint of this , as you will know, devalues and casts a credibility issue over both parties. There really can only be 'one' party using the word 'Veteran' in it's title (in my opinion). I strongly feel that John Rees-Evans should be asked to approach whoever organises the UK V&PP and pursued's them to join forces with the DVP under the DVP banner. The fact they are naming themselves as they do strongly suggests they are pretty much singing from the same hymn- sheet anyway. As I've been typing these thoughts, another DVP member has called me on the phone and is not at all happy with this situation.  I would strongly recommend that our leadership look into this matter. 
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Quantum Leap
Folks the other party is the one that is now being led by the veteran.

This is the same veteran who was angling to lead the DVP and thought that he could effectively put his name to DVP and immediately be it's figurehead as seems to have happened with the other party.

He is an outspoken individual who likes publicity and is a good fit for that other party.

DVP was created with a vision from a handful of core individuals. 

Having spoken to people who served in both regiments alongside the other veteran, their feeling was that he was not the best fit for the DVP.

I wish him the best with the other party and I like his comments on different topics that are reinforced by his service.

However the DVP are trying to do something different as a PARTY and not as a sole Figurehead / headliner
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Pete Jamieson
Thank you for clarifying this issue Quantum Leap.  The Veterans & Peoples Party 'do' have a manifesto  and here is an article about their new leader :   https://pressreleases.responsesource.com/news/95604/veterans-and-people-s-party-announce-party-leader/..... This situation  really lacks viability.  It's like having a Conservative Party & The Party Conservative. Whatever you think or imagine, the VPP are organised and appear to  mean business. The bottom line is all about 'PERCEPTION' .. All political parties are a broad church of opinions  and views, but they operate under one banner and one leader.  An example lately are the Labour & Tory MP's that walked away from their parties and formed a pseudo independent group, taking seats next to the Lib Dems in Parliament.  They have effectively ended their political careers by taking this step, and most of us think they are a joke, not to be taken seriously. If the VPP get organised they will field candidates against the DVP at constituencies where DVP candidates are standing. Both parties will loose credibility with anyone looking to vote for alternatives to the main parties. 
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Frankie
Are they a Direct Democracy Party? Did they go through the registration process like our party has? 
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Pete Jamieson
Reply to Frankie... I don't know Frankie...Your question dodges the point I'm trying so hard to make here. You simply can't have two parties with the name 'Veteran' in their titles. It will confuse people looking for an alternative to the main three parties.  Most people who go to the polling stations on election day and will have taken in a minimum of information.  This 'chore' will be their only involvement in politics for the next five years. When looking at a ballot paper (while trying to imagine the mindset of the majority) , it must contain 'clear' choices.. Two candidate standing with very different  last names is fine, but underneath their names is the parties they stand for.... Joe or Joanne Average will glance at these and think there has been an error  .They'l pass them by and put their cross somewhere else. We simply can';t judge people by our own interest and knowledge of our own political choice.  Think about the EU referendum.. Just two boxes .. Stay In or Leave. That's why it was such a success.  The VPP 'must' be approached to amalgamate with our party so we go forward as ONE party under ONE name. 
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Pete Jamieson
Further to my post above here is a link to the VPP's candidate info..              https://www.vapp.org.uk/about-candidates
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Frankie
I agree to unite would be best BUT if they don’t have registration process complete surely they can be removed? The BrExit party, I read, were the first to register that name so similar ones were not allowed. Does this apply here?
If they do, would either party unite if the very core belief of DD was not part of the other party.
I do get what you are saying. When I first became interested in DVP and looked them up it was a search through other similarly named parties, often in USA(Democrats). 
I absolutely agree this must be addressed ASAP. 
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Shaun Owen
The VAPP where set up in the August of 2018, our party was born in the February of 2018, fife months earlier!  Politics is a dirty game at the moment and it is likely that they were set up with similar objectives to actually split the vote.  Direct Democracy (DD)  is a threat to the establishment.  As it becomes more popular watch out for even more small parties being set up offering DD to prevent DD from actually being achieved.  Remember the DVP is the only true DD party.  
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Pete Jamieson
Thank you Shaun...I think we can certainly expect the establishments 'dirty tricks' department to be getting involved in sabotaging any 'genuine' attempt by people to change any part of the status quo.  The political arena is a vicious , backstabbing  and dishonourable battlefield for anyone with honesty, integrity,principals and conscience. Your point about these other parties forming and splitting the vote is precisely what I'm concerned about .. Our leadership must be ready to challenge any other party that is set up now, or in the future that are using DVP ideas and principals. This is especially important if like the VAPP they use the word 'veteran' in their title. I get the strong feeling that at the next general election there are going to be several 'new' political parties entering the area, so it's critical and essential we, The DVP,  can be clearly recognised and identified . 
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Anto Wickham Anto wickham
Personally I would not get to worried about how many parties have the word veteran in their name. Here in Northern Ireland there are 4 parties that use the word Unionist in them. The Democratic Unionist Party (DUP), Ulster Unionist Party (UUP), Progressive Unionist Party (PUP) and Traditional Unionist Party (TUV)  and all would be close in policy’s on top of that. 

When people come to vote I would like to think when they do cast their vote that they would know about the party they are going to vote for and also the candidate. 
Anto Wickham 
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Emma
Having looked at the Facebook page of the VAPP leader, and while acknowledging and admiring his military service and subsequent experience, this looks like a one man band party.  I can also just imagine the hostile MSM picking up on the initials and besmirching it with a "vapid" tag.  Personally speaking, I would not go anywhere near a "People's Party" having knowledge of a European country where a PP (which I actively dislike) holds sway.
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Frankie
I did notice Mr Batten is using DD in his speeches and there was a member vote on TR. Also I believe he is putting forward many, if not all of our policies as his party’s. I don’t like it. It sounds very similar to T May keep saying her BrExit that the people voted for and what that means knowing full well her surrender documents mean exactly the opposite.
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Pete Jamieson
We could take Mr Batten's comments on DD as a compliment or accuse him of plagiarism .. Whichever way you view it , UKIP have a large audience, many of whom have not heard before about DD. So you could say that our message is getting spread by proxy. It took UKIP many years to finally get their message across to a wider audience . That was partly down to the relentless hard work done by Nigel Farage and partly by them getting their house in order and consolidating their policies under efficient and 'on message' consistent campaigns.  Like all the rest of the UK's political parties, they failed to have a post Brexit referendum plan that reflected a leave vote, hence the fragmentation and in-fighting that followed.. The lessons here are significant and serve as a salutatory warning that every political party needs a plan 'B' and to adhere to their principals, policies and message.  
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